Episode 77

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29th Mar 2024

ADHD entrepreneurial anxiety? Use procrastination!

ADHD Procrastination as a Strategy: Harnessing Anxiety for Productivity

In the hustle and bustle of running a business with ADHD, the word 'procrastination' often feels like a dark shadow looming over every unchecked item on our to-do lists.

But what if I told you that procrastination isn't the villain it's often made out to be?

Hey, I'm Katie McManus, your host of The Weeniecast, and in this episode, I'm flipping the script on procrastination and revealing how it can actually be harnessed as a powerful tool to manage anxiety and boost productivity.

As an ADHD entrepreneur myself, I've been doing a lifelong dance with the total death eater that is the procrastination beast.

But I learned a lot about the world of dopamine-driven decisions and anti-linear productivity.

I'll walk you through the intricacies of managing a business with an often misunderstood psychology.

We delve into the fear of diving into unknown tasks, the relentless planning churning in our minds, and the hidden creativity within procrastination.

By revealing my own stories and dissecting the complex interplay between ADHD, procrastination, and fear of failure, I'll show you how to redefine productivity norms to cater to your beautifully unique neurological wiring.

From organizing tasks into manageable categories to breaking down complex projects into digestible pieces, this episode is designed to help you navigate your workday with intuitive grace.

Stick with me, weenie, and you'll discover the secret sauce to optimizing your work life by realigned task management to harmonize with your body's natural dopamine levels.

By the time we wrap up, you'll have the tools and a fresh mindset that defies traditional business strategies.

You'll know how to turn the tide on procrastination and use it to your advantage.

You'll have been guided you through the process of identifying and prioritizing tasks according to your energy levels.

And you'll feel empowered to tackle them not just with efficiency, but with enthusiasm.


Timestamped Summary:

00:00 ADHD procrastination sparks creativity, fear plays role.

06:12 Our brains absorb things easily, but not everything.

09:24 Manage cortisol with dopamine, avoiding unwanted tasks.

10:31 Acknowledge low dopamine, prioritize tasks accordingly.

14:00 Reluctantly leaving dishes leads to more chores.

17:32 Understanding technology, organization, segmentation, targeted distribution and decision-making.

21:24 Thoroughly planning day, assessing energy levels.

26:19 Use procrastination to manage anxiety, book call.

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Transcript
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In this episode, I'm going to show you how you can actually use

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procrastination to manage your anxiety and get more shit

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done. Hi, I'm Katie McManus, business strategist and money mindset

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coach, and welcome to the Weeniecast.

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My whole life I've been a procrastinator. There was not

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one essay that I wrote in high school or in

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college that I did before the the night before is due. There was

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no project that I was ever given in any of my jobs that I didn't

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procrastinate to the last minute. I've also procrastinated throughout my

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entire professional career when I worked for other people and working for myself.

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That doesn't mean I wasn't providing really top tier

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value

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for ADHD entrepreneurs. We know

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that if we're assigned something, that thing will only get

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done with the minimum amount of time left to. Do

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it, and we get a lot of flak for it. A lot of people

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have a big problem with us leaving things to the last minute now

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to them, to neurotypical. People, they can't

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imagine procrastinating to the last minute. For them, the

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anxiety just would not be healthy for them.

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They need to chip away at a. Big project little

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by little as they go to be able to do it well.

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What they don't understand about people with ADHD

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is that even though we're procrastinating, writing the paper for

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four weeks and. We're going to do it the night before, it doesn't mean we're

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not working on it. But the work that we do in procrastinating

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is in our heads. And you know this, I'm describing this, and I bet you

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you're remembering that paper that you wrote about the bubonic.

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Plague in college for History 101

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and. How you had pulled some

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books, read some stuff, done a little bit of research, and then

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for three weeks before. The paper was due. In your

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mind, you're structuring and restructuring. And restructuring your

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argument. In your mind, you're playing out how. You'Re

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going to phrase everything and what your

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thesis was going to be and. How you are going to line up.

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Evidence to prove it. That's not necessarily procrastinating.

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First and foremost, that's finding a way that works for you

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to do the work. Now, just because the

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work is not. Visible to other people doesn't mean it's not existing.

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Just because it's something that's happening in. Your head doesn't mean it's not real.

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One of the things that we forget about as

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ADHD entrepreneurs is when we procrastinate, we actually give ourselves more time

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to be creative. Because how you would have written that paper the

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day it was assigned is very different from how you would have written it

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a week in, which is very different from how you would have written it three

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days later when you learned something in your chemistry class that could possibly

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impact what you were going to write about. And it's very different

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from that one book that you found in a library two days before the paper

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was due. It's genuinely part of our creative process.

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And let's talk about what procrastination is.

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Right? One of the definitions out there is procrastination

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is avoiding the bad feelings associated

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with doing something. And oftentimes the

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bad feelings associated with doing something have to do

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with this fear of doing it badly, of failing, of

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fucking it up, of not being perfect. If

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you're a fellow recovering perfectionist. Hi, my name is

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Katie. It's good to have you at our meeting anyway. And why

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am I talking about this? Like, what does this have to do with starting a

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business? When I started my business,

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that's when my procrastination went through the roof. That's when I

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would assign myself the work and give myself the deadline and then blow past

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the deadline and then start procrastinating a lot more. Because

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whatever it was that I assigned myself, not even acknowledging all

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the other aspects of why there's bad feelings attached to it now,

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it's already associated with failure because I'm behind on it already.

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When we start business, we are venturing into the

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unknown. We're doing something that we have

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never done before. And because we've never done this

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before, there are so many little tasks that we've

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never done before. We've never set up an email marketing

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system. You've never written a newsletter all

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about you and your services before. You've never asked people

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to spend money on your services before. Maybe you've never posted to

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social media to try to get people to buy something. Something

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that most ADHD entrepreneurs experience is we tend

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to be really good at things really fast. We tend to learn things really

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quickly. Not to brag or anything, but

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when I used to work at a knitting shop, which, I mean, this is going

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to sound like such a cool story. When I used to work at a knitting

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shop, I was working on this one project and it called for cabling

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needles. So, like, if you know, cabled sweaters, it has like, the braid. I

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didn't know what those were? And so I went into the shop and I asked

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the woman who was the manager at the time what cabling needles

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were, and she was like, oh, they're over here. Here you go. And I was

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like, cool, how do I use them? And she's like, you want me to

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teach you how to cable knit? Right now, in the middle of the shop being

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open and all stuff.

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She'S. Like, she looked at me like I was crazy. And so she showed

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me, and I was good. And I sat there and

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I did the whole part of my knitting project that required

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cabling. And she watched me with her eyes wide

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open and her jaw on the floor because usually when she taught people how to

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cable, it took several sessions for them to actually

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learn it. There are lots of mistakes. There are lots of oopsies.

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Oh, God, I dropped the stitches. What do I do? And if you're a knitter,

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you know what I mean? If you're not a knitter, then that sounds bad, doesn't

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it? You don't want to drop stitches. And regardless if you know anything about knitting

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or not, you know that experience. Of being shown something,

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all of a. Sudden you get it and you can do it, and people look

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at you like you're a mastermind. But it's just

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how our brains work. We absorb things certain

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things very easily. Now that doesn't

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go for everything. And there are enough things associated with our

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businesses that we've experienced being too hard for us to figure out

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that when we're about to do something that we've never done before,

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we will procrastinate it. We will put it off

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because we've never learned how to do it before. And if we've already

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proven to be bad at, say, email marketing and

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setting up those kinds of systems, why do you think you're going to be good

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at setting up a task manager like ClickUp

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or Monday or notion? Because not only do you have

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to understand how it's going to work best, but you also have to know what

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the language is to get the thing to do the thing that you need it

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to do. There's a lot of potential bad feelings there.

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And a, like folks with ADHD, we don't want to feel those bad feelings

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because we're used to being good at things. And b, we

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really do need that time to figure out exactly how we want it in our

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minds before we go and exert the effort

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into making it real. That, or we need a deadline. But it's hard when

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you have a business because you create the deadlines, and you're the boss.

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Oh, what am I going to say next? Well, you'll have to keep listening to

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find out. But first

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is

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if you're the boss. And you create the deadlines and you get to change the

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deadlines and so. On and so forth, and we all know how that goes. But

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would it surprise you to hear. That maybe you could use your

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procrastination. Actually as a stress management and productivity

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tool? My friend Laura recently asked me how

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I avoid procrastinating so much because I. Get a lot done.

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And we do like a monthly check in. We both run businesses. We do a

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monthly check in with. Each other, and we kind of go over what we did

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the previous month. And she asked me, like, how do you keep yourself

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from procrastinating? And I laughed in her face because. I procrastinate all the time.

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But I didn't realize that I've actually created a system for procrastination,

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that a. Helps me get shit done, and b. Helps

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me actually manage my stress in. A fairly healthy way. So if you've

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been listening to the. Podcast for a while, you know, I. Talk a lot about

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feeding yourself dopamine. Finding different ways to get that

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dopamine running. Because one of the things that we have discovered about

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ADHD is like, it's not a disorder really, it's

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just a deficiency of dopamine. And dopamine is the

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hormone that tells our brain that we have the get up and go to go

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and do. The thing and then gets us to get up and go and do

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the thing. When we don't have enough dopamine in our

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systems, a, we get kicked into executive dysfunction where we

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know what we have to do and we want to do it, and we want

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to get up and do it, and we just can't get ourselves to get up

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and do it. But the other interesting thing about dopamine is that

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when we don't have enough of it in our bodies, you know which hormone

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likes to spike up? Cortisol.

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Cortisol, the stress hormone. Now,

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cortisol can wreak havoc on your body. It

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can wreak havoc on your mental health. So

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learning how to spike your dopamine every single day is

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going to help you really manage your cortisol levels, which means that

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you're going to get shit done and you're going to lower your anxiety at the

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same time, which if you're like me, that is a really, really good thing

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to do. And to do this, we're going to use a

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very sophisticated system

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where we avoid doing the work that we really, really

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don't want to do with the work that we only really, really don't want

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to do. And we're going to avoid doing the work that we really, really don't

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want to do with the work that we just really don't want to do.

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And then we're going to avoid doing the work that we really don't want to

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do, the stuff that we just don't really particularly care to do and so on

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and so forth until we get to the actual things that we

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enjoy doing. How this works is essentially for

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you to do the things that you triple do not want to do, you're going

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to need a lot of dopamine. And so it doesn't mean that you can do

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those things on any given day. You genuinely do have to wait

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for the day when you have enough dopamine in your system to tackle them.

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And where a lot of ADHD entrepreneurs fall into a trap of self punishment

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is you tell yourself, okay, I'm going to do that terrible thing tomorrow.

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And tomorrow rolls around and you don't have enough dopamine, but you don't

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actually acknowledge that you don't have enough dopamine to do it. So

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you sit there agonizing over, I need to do this, I need to do this,

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I need to do this. Stuck in executive dysfunction all the while,

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more cortisol is entering your system, so you're feeling more and more and more

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stressed out and you become less and less and less

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likely to be able to even start that thing. And throughout the

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day, you will probably mess around your email inbox, you

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might write something down, you might post something, but you're not going to

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actually get any real work done when you're holding yourself to the standard of I

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need to do this one big thing and I don't need to tell you that

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that's not helpful to running a business. So on days when

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we don't have enough dopamine for the thing that we really, really, really do

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not want to do, we check in with ourselves and we say, okay, cool,

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how much dopamine do I have? Can I do the next tier down

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of terrible? What about the next tier down from that? The next tier

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down from that? Until we find the task that

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is a tolerable level of miserable for us to do

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that we have enough dopamine to do and then we go and do it. It's

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still something that had to get done. It's still something that was on your list.

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You still get credit for finishing it, and it still moves you forward in your

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business. Now, this does make for a really

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haphazard kind of random smattering of, like,

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moving forward in different projects. Who says that you have to get

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projects done linearly? Neurotypicals. Great. That's good for

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them. Great for them. So happy that that works for

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them does not work for us. And we don't have to

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force it to work for us. We get to find different ways to

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work that allow us to be

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calm and feel accomplished and

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know that we are moving closer towards our goal every single day.

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So to be able to do this, literally, you just have to be a

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little bit organized. Not crazy organized. I'm not going to set that expectation

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for you. So first you have to let go of linear.

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Linear does not work for us. Setting arbitrary

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deadlines also does not work for

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us. Expecting yourself to chip away at something for 30 minutes a

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day, also not going to work for us. Let it go. Let

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it go. We're not doing that. And something you have to

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be aware of when you're starting to organize your

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tasks in a way where you're kind of giving yourself the whole buffet of

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options of miserable things that you need to get done is we have

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to break down what I call layered tasks. A layered

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task is when you say, okay, cool, I need to meal prep for the

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week. I want to make all my lunches Monday through Friday, and I

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want to put together some stuff that I can really quickly put together for dinner

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every single evening. You go shopping, you come back

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ready to dive in, start cooking, and then you realize, oh,

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shit, I didn't do the dishes over the last couple of days. So the sink

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is full of dirty dishes. Great, so now I have to do that. And

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then you open the dishwasher to start loading the stuff that can go into the

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dishwasher into the dishwasher, and it's full of clean dishes that you

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didn't unload from a couple of days before. And you're like, oh, yeah, that's right.

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That's why I left the dishes in the sink, because I needed to unload the

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dishwasher, but I just didn't have the energy for it. So now

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you have to not just start cooking the food,

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but you have to unload the dishwasher of clean dishes. Probably you're going to get

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distracted by cleaning the kitchen around the same time because as you're putting things away,

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it's just kind of how your brain works, that you're thinking, okay,

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everything can go into its place. Now then you're going to have to

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load the dishwasher again. And then you're going to have to wash the dishes

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like the pots and pans and sharp knives that couldn't go into the dishwasher. Because

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fun fact, if you put good. Chef'S knives in the dishwasher, it actually. Fucks up

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the blade. Don't do that. Also, anything with non stick, you

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ruin. By putting in the dishwasher. This is a game changer for

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keeping quality kitchen stuff around for a long time. When you know this stuff,

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they don't. Teach this shit in schools, which I. Think is fucked up. I think

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there has to be a whole. Here's how you take care of your stuff so

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it lasts longer. Lesson in schools. If you're involved in

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the education system in the United States, can you please get on this?

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And also, if you want to email me, I have a lot more suggestions.

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We need to have a meeting. Back to the point. Now,

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instead of it just being one. Task cooking food, it's now

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become three tasks. Putting clean stuff away, loading the

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dishwasher with dirty dishes, and cleaning the dishes that can't

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be put in the dishwasher. And then, of course, those things you have to dry

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and put away. So that's kind of a fourth task. And we all know what

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happens at that point. We get to this point and then. We look at the

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groceries that have. Been sitting on the floor because we were like, okay, well, I

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don't want. To put them all away just to. Bring them all out again while

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I do this stuff. And then you're like, well, now I don't have any energy

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to actually do the cooking. I'm tired. That was a lot

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of work. I just cleaned the kitchen. I don't really want to make it messy

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again. Let me do this. Let me just put everything in the refrigerator.

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I'm going to order a burrito and have it delivered. That'll be my dinner tonight.

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And tomorrow I'll plan on grabbing a salad

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for lunch. And then tomorrow night I'll meal prep. And we all know what happens

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from there, right? You never meal prep. All that food

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you got, you might. Cook some of it throughout the week. For dinners and

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stuff, but come the next weekend, some of it started

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smelling in your fridge and you have to. Really guiltily

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just drag the garbage bin over to the fridge along with a chair, and

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you have to go through. And just throw shit out because you didn't get

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to it in time. Okay? So when we think about a layered. Task,

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we have to figure out what. Are all the steps that are required of

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me before I can actually do. The thing that I need to do. So,

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meal prepping. When you have to meal prep, you really do

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have to take into consideration. Did I empty the dishwasher? Did I

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load the dishwasher? Did I do all of the dishes that can't be put in

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the dishwasher? Did I dry them, did I put them away? Because those

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are all extra tasks that. Will slow you down from getting to. The thing

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you actually need to do. Okay, I want you to think about. How this shows

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up in our business. You tell yourself, okay, I'm going to. Start sending a newsletter

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to everyone who. Has ever booked a call with me. Or

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downloaded a freebie on my website. Great. You've never

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actually learned how to send. An email out of your email marketing thing,

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right? It was something that you set up, so maybe you had a va set

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up so that you could have a. Freebie and collect email addresses. But

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there's something called lists. You're not really sure who you're supposed to send this thing

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to. And then you have to figure out, well, what's the content, what's going to

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be interesting to them and inspire them. To book a sales call

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with me. God. Okay. So now you have to figure out the

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technology. You also have to figure out the organization of it. You have to

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understand how you're going to segment out this list. So you're sending it to the

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people who would be most interested in getting this newsletter. Then you have to

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figure out what. To put in the

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newsletter, and then. You have to figure out how to

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send it at the right time on. The right day to the right people. And

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the issue with this, this one action that you want to take, send an

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email newsletter to a bunch of. People has become

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multiple different tasks. So you have to learn how to use this system. You have

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to understand it on deep level. And the stakes are super fucking high

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because if you get it wrong, everyone's going

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to see, and we love catastrophizing little

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actions that we take in our business, don't we? It's like if

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I send my newsletter on a Wednesday instead of a Tuesday, no one's going to

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read it. It's going to be a waste of words and blah, blah, blah, blah,

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blah, blah, blah, blah. Because someone sometime told you that Tuesday. Was the best day

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to send a newsletter. Fuck off. We get

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really attached to the best ways of doing things. I

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want you to notice that in yourself the next time you go to do something

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that's a little outside your comfort zone. What's that little

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standard that you're holding yourself to? And does it actually make a difference. At the

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end of the day? Probably not. Whenever we're

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approaching a project in our. Work, something that we want to get done,

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what I do, how I use. My procrastination

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to lower my cortisol levels. To increase my

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dopamine, to actually create. An anxiety

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controlling system. Where I get shit done is I.

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Will sit down and I will break. Down any task I want to do.

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I will delayer them. I will figure out every

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single step. That I need to

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take before I get to the thing. I do this with things

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that I. Have done for years. One of the things that you'll

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notice in my social media is I have. Kind of a cadence,

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and I'm not. Perfect about doing this. You're going to hear this and be like,

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oh, cool, I'm going to go. Check out her LinkedIn right now. And probably by

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the time this episode. Has come out, I will have gotten bored of it for

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a little while and you won't see this. But

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when I'm perfectly in my game, I do content on kind of a

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five day rotation. So, day one, I kind of look at the pain of the

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things that. My clients struggle with and how it. Feels for them, and I just

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kind of normalize it. It's called empathetic marketing. It's one of the things I train

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in my programs. The next day, I talk about a. Desire that they all

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have, and I champion it. I tell them

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that I believe in you. You can actually have this if you want

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it. And then day three, I'll generally do a testimonial or

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a case study. Day four, I'll do something about my. Story,

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and I might even talk about giving myself a little

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testimonial, which is. Kind of a fun way of showing

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people how you work and how you. Help your clients, because

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generally, you help. Your clients with things that you had. To help yourself with

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first. And then finally, day five, I try to share some

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details about my programs. Okay? So if I have a five day.

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Spread of content that I'm going to. Be creating for

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the month, and I. Want to post every single day, let's. Just do the math.

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There are 30 days. In some months, we're going to ignore. The 31 days and

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the 29 days. For the sake of this.

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Okay? So that means to post every single day on a five day rotation,

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I. Need six pain posts. I need six desire posts. I

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need six testimonial posts. I need six my story posts and. I need

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six posts that have to do with the details of my programs. And I will

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literally create a word. Document that has

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pain, one. Pain two pain three

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pain four. Pain five. Pain six

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desire one. Desire, two. I'm not going to go through the. Whole thing, but you

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get the point, right? I break it out. So literally when

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I'm going through my list, and of course I break down every single project

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that I do, like this. So as I'm sitting down at my desk in the

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morning, I'm kind of doing a body scan, a little like mental check to

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see how much juice I have in the tank. To do what? I can

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literally look at a whole map of options

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of the things that I could focus on for the day. And I get to

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pick the hardest one that's possible for me on that. Given day

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and I get it done. And what happens when we get shit

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done? We get dopamine. So oftentimes

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when I get something done that requires less dopamine than one of. The bigger,

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scarier, awful, miserable tasks, if.

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I get that done early enough in the day and I get that dopamine. Hit

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from it, sometimes that dopamine rolls. Over and

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I'm able to tackle the bigger thing. You know that advice that

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says eat the frog first thing in the morning, which sounds disgusting.

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Don't do it like frogs aren't that tasty. I've had one. It's just weird.

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Don't do it like you were a fish once and now you have four.

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Legs, you jump around, you have like a voice.

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I'm good, and I don't support metaphorical. Frog eating

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for people with ADHD. Anyway, back to the point. The reason that doesn't

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work is because it requires a lot of dopamine. If we

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don't have enough dopamine to do the thing, we're not going to do the thing.

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We're going to be in executive dysfunction. And what happens when

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we set the expectation that we should be able to do the thing and then

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we get kicked into executive dysfunction and we can't. Do it, we start punishing

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ourselves. When we start punishing ourselves and feeling. Like a failure, our

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cortisol spikes and. Cortisol really

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eats away at your energy. So you're going to be able to get less

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done that day because you're going to be more tired, more defeated, more

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distracted. It's going to be harder for you to get dopamine into your

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system. We really do have to come up with kind of a

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scattershot, chaotic approach. To get stuff done that

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works with how much dopamine we have in our systems. So here's

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what you're going to do. As a business owner, I know you have a shit

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ton on your plate and you're probably trying to manage it. All in your head.

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You're probably trying to prioritize and figure it out. And like, what should I do

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first? Stop doing that. What you're going to do is you're. Going to sit

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down with a few. Pieces of paper and you are going. To write

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down every single thing that. You think

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you need to do. And this is personal, and this has to do

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with work and this has. To do with your kids to do. Lists and your

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spouse. Like anything that you have to do. With your family, everything that's

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floating around in your brain, you have to put on this list. What I like

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to do from here is I like to then rewrite the list

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into different categories. So, like, anything personal goes onto

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the personal list. And if you want to create subcategories, like, is there something

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that has to do with health? Is there something that has to do. With your

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house and taking care of it? Do you have to book a reservation at your

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best friend's favorite restaurant for their birthday? All that goes on the

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personal list. And then everything that has to do with your business, you're going to

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put on your business list. You're going to organize it into different

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categories. So say you have an email marketing category. What are

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all the things you need. To do there, a social media posting.

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To LinkedIn category, what are all the. Things you need to do

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there? And so on and so forth. From here, I

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want you to vote. Like, obviously we're talking about your business. This is the weenie

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cast for business owners. Go through all the things that you've. Just listed

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out that you have to do for your business and figure out if they are

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layered tasks. And if they are, if you do need to

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break down every single little step. Break down every single

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little step. There's like a joke. And it's not like

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a funny ha ha joke. It's just kind of like a truth. That people kind

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of find amusing to. Explain how jokes work when they're not. That

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funny is that when you go. Into an ADHD person's house, they're

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messy. There's stuff everywhere. You look at

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their desk and there's like papers and piles and

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postits and just a bunch of random shit. I know I've gone through

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everything that's on my desk and I won't do. It right now because it's pretty

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gross anyway. The reason we do that is because

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once something is not visible to us, it stops existing. Anything

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that we feel like we're going to need to remember that it exists,

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we're going to keep out in the. Open so we can see it. When we

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organize the work and lay it all out for

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ourselves, we're essentially doing the same thing. We're

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reminding ourselves that all these things. Exist in our to do

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list. And we literally create a little buffet.

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Of options for what we can work. On every single day depending

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on our dopamine levels. And when we do this and when we give

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ourselves permission to pick and choose the things

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that we have enough dopamine for every single day and to make

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progress in a nonlinear way towards our

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goals, we get more dopamine in our systems. We lower our

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cortisol. And that, my friends, is how you use

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procrastination to manage your anxiety. If you're ready to stop being a weenie

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and actually run a business that makes money, then go ahead and book a

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generate income strategy call with me by going to

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weeniecast.com strategycall.

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On this call, we will talk about your goals, your dreams,

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and your frustrations in getting there. And if it's a fit

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for both. Of us, then we can talk about different ways to work together.

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Boom. Mic drop. But I'm not actually going to drop my mic because I like

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it and I don't want to hurt it. Squirrel, squirrel,

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squirrel, squirrel.

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About the Podcast

The Weeniecast: make more money, create an impact
Money mindset and impact coaching for business owners
I help business owners make more money in less time, so they can create bigger impact.
It doesn't matter what it is, we all have a sense of purpose. We want to leave a legacy.
We want to matter. And the best way of doing that, is to become wealthy.
But the sad reality is a lot of us are stuck in 'weenie' mode. In other words, we make up excuses for why we can't become our brilliant, wealthy selves.
That ends with this podcast.

My name is Katie McManus.
As a CPCC (Certified Professional Co-Active Coach) I know how to help people like you to reach their financial goals, and earn the life they've always dreamed of.

Until quite recently, I described myself as a business strategist and money mindset coach who was focusing on helping business owners with ADHD to get more income from their business.
I've been helping some of them get eleven times the value of their investment back.
And then, I had an epiphany.
I was being a weenie.
Being a business strategist is not the limit of my gifts to the world.
I'm also a political activist, a serial entrepreneur who oversees multiple six figure businesses, and I'm the founder of a non-profit with dreams of helping members of the LGBTQ+ community to find more joy from their lives in a very specific way.
And all of that is being achieved by scaling my business in a way that I don't have to be in it every hour of the day, but still make enough money to work hard on making impact.
Do you also want to learn how you can make more money, in less time, so that you can create impact on your community, or with projects that are important to you?

Want coaching on money mindset, sales advice, and general business growth, but all from the safety and comfort of your own space?

If you're wanting to listen to business strategy and money mindset advice that's specifically targeted to business owners like you who want to achieve BIG things but maybe have some challenges, then "The Weeniecast" is the podcast for YOU.

I will help you understand your own potential for growing a dream business that works without you but still makes seriously life-changing amounts of money.

Learn more about the show at weeniecast.com
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